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cliterati.club for being a straight up TERF instance.

Also, this will be fun when a cis woman signs up and ends up being mistaken for a "man". 馃槵

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@Jo Sorry for asking a dumb question: The about page mentions:

"Cliterati.club is a female-only instance centering lesbians, women of color, and female detransitioners."

wtf are 'detransitioners'?! Sounds like a really questionable way to view people's gender?

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@ckeen They're people who've attempted to transition and then for some reason or another, changed their mind and reverted back to their assigned gender.

TERFs really like to use them as ammo against trans folk.

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@Jo Thanks for explaining this to me. If people would just let others be as they want to be, we would have less to fight over.

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@Jo added, thanks.

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@Jo @ckeen Hmm, so ... am I a detransitioner because I went from fully identifying as trans woman halfway back to being more comfortable with identifying non-binary these days? 馃

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@rhonda

IDK, de-transitioning has some reverting connotation, you grew the way you are :)

@Jo

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@rhonda I don't think so. Seems more like developing. @Jo @ckeen

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@Jo @ckeen Worth noting that most people that detransition do it because of how threatened they feel by the people around them and many later end up transitioning once they escape that dangerous living situation and are very happy with it.

TERFs will never mention that part, though.

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@KitsuneAlicia @Jo

Thank you all for your insights into these very intimate matters! 馃挏

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@ckeen @Jo in this case i think it means trans men who were stuffed back into the closet.

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@Jo Under the GDPR I'm pretty sure gender identity and sexuality would be considered special categories, and they are in effect gathering and publishing that data on all members.. I hope they're compliant (actually I hope they get sued into oblivion maybe)

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@cathal Their domain registration is (not surprisingly) light on details but does say California so the GDPR might not be entirely relevant to them.

@Jo

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@edavies @cathal If they're expecting EU users I think the GDPR still applies.

Kind of like why American news outlets like to block European acres despite being based in the US.

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@Jo AIUI that depends on if they're planning to do business in the EU (e.g., take advertising from companies in EU countries). I can't see the US courts enforcing EU law against them so, at worst, the people behind it would be at risk if they were publicly known and travelled to the EU.

I do worry we're going down a difficult path with extraterritorial application of laws, e.g., octodon.social/@edavies/103172

@cathal

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@Jo I ain't gonna do it but this just feels like a challenge.

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@Jo invariably it will happen and we will all laugh.

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@Jo TERFs never bloody learn that there is no standard of feminity that can be applied to cut out trans women that does not also negatively impact cis women

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@Jo First thought was "alright, let's try this", until I read the domain name ... enough to agree with your CW about it.

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@Jo what the freak, they are insane?!

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@Jo how exactly do they plan to determine you鈥檙e """really"""" female with a video chat ?

Like 鈥 they plan to make you strip, show your genitals and -somehow- prove you have an uterus and not an trans vagina ?

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@borderdoggo @Jo Some of them are convinced they can 芦clock禄 100% trans women because they are stupid pieces of shit

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@melunaka @borderdoggo @Jo most of the time those people wind up harrassing cis folks for not looking cis enough

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@Pyretta @borderdoggo @Jo And tbh why would any trans people want to register to a TERF instance? They鈥檙e just wasting their time by checking each other, and it鈥檚 good.

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@melunaka @borderdoggo @Jo Yeah, it's amazing. It seems to be a central belief for them : they want so hard to believe that there is an absolute magic separation between 芦men禄 and 芦women禄 than they claim they can physically feel it. I've done some research yesterday on TERF rethorics and there's even a reddit post centered on this idea : 芦No trans has ever passed, they fool themselves禄. So sad and childish at the same time.

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@alice @Jo @borderdoggo Well I think most TERF think trans people can pass but that you can find out that they鈥檙e trans, because somehow they鈥檙e 芦things you can鈥檛 hide禄 and there are 芦clues禄 (which is fucking bullshit).

It reminds me of racists trying to guess origins of people but failing real hard sometimes because not one feature is specific to one group of people.

see e.g. [transphobia]:
cliterati.club/@expedite/10320

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@alice @Jo @borderdoggo But basically they鈥檙e just trying to reinvent the femininity test they do in the Olympics but with less science and more hatred

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@melunaka @alice @Jo @borderdoggo I can't see this other than the ultimate mysoginistic bullshit ever.

Yeah if you start with the suspicion someone is trans you can somehow find some traits that don't match their gender's stereotypes... Like in every cis people ever

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@melunaka @alice @Jo @borderdoggo

And plus if you want to create a place for cis lesbian and you don't know that a large part af them have more stereotical masculine apparences than trans gurls

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@melunaka Very true. What strikes me is their official goal : feminism. They try and fight for feminism but have an approach completely opposite to ours : they believe men and women should be equal *despite* their difference while we hold that they should be equal precisely because, there's no fundamental difference (except an artificial one created to oppress women).
Why wonder why that works with gender but not races. I've never seen anyone with those racist idea of 芦typical traits禄 that would always enable racial categorization use them to defend some idea of equality between them.

@Jo @borderdoggo

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@lunar @borderdoggo @Jo ah yes, come afab people, we're here to not respect you and your identity while mocking trans feminine people yayaf fun

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@lunar @borderdoggo @Jo Yeah, it's obvious in their Code of Conduct that, being transphobic and misgendering everyone, they welcome trans men, described as 芦not oppressors禄 because, you know they are "fundamentally biologically women like us" (not a quote, my formulation of their idea but I but double-quotes because I don't want anyone to believe that's what I think). Violence for everyone : trans women for refusing them, trans men for wanting them in.

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@Jo THer are so many ways for this "interview" to go horribly, horribly wrong that I can't fathom why anyone would agree to it as a condition of membership for social media.

But maybe that's the point.

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@Jo also, reading their full Tos, what is "detransitioned people" ?

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@dolfsquare Basically someone who has attempted to transition but for one reason or another, changed their mind, reverted to their assigned gender, and done what they can to undo it.

TERFs really love using detransitioners as ammo against trans folk and more specifically, trans kids. :blobunamused:

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@Jo Reading the admin's timeline they seem to come mainly from spinster

how surprising

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@Nocta Yeah, I think they got pissed at the admin a couple of weeks ago for doing a homophobia. :thonking:

@Jo the amount of effort people go through to exclude a minority is incredible.

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@Jo thats a yikes from me

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@Jo what if i told you that there are many instances that exist that dont require you to verify your gender. what a world would that be

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@Jo of course no surprise that their federated TL on cliterati.club/public shows all the usual shitty instances like FSE and shitposter club

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@Jo cant wait for them to deny entry to cis women who dont conform to their standards of femininity

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@Jo this is so going to backfire (although they will probably never know that unless it will be a person they know from somewhere else put through a blind trial)

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@Jo

Has this been verified that they prevent trans women to enter the instance? Maybe it's a wording problem in their ToS.

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@sirikon Yeah, their rules are full of TERFy points like "a woman is an adult human female", "it's biology" and "TERF is a slur", and their admin has "Pronouns: talk/shit/get/hit" in their bio. And the whole webcam thing is based on the fallacy that they can tell the difference between "biological" men and women (plot twist: countless cases of cis women being harassed because someone thought they were trans proves otherwise).

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@sirikon And their initial userbase seems to be people who fled Spinster because that instance's admin can't stop being a homophobe. :blobawkward:

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@Jo

Yep, sounds pretty TERF to me. We'll block the instance soon. Thanks!

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@Jo @Gargron is this instance blocked?

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@Jo thanks for the heads up. Reported the admin's account and hopefully my instance will defederate

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@Jo not that i want anyone to subject themselves to dealing with this shit but i would love to hear from anyone who went through a video interview with them just to see what sort of ridiculous bullshit they put people through. but also, what the fuck.

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